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sludwig
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 11:43 am |
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I tried to install Leopard on my 1.92 GHz G4 Al 15". The disk starts and the pinwheel spins and then eventually stops. Nothing happens. I had to shutdown and restart and eject the install disk.
Any ideas why Leopard is not installing?
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Gary
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 01:09 pm |
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Hi Steve,
It sounds like a bad DVD. There is no reason the upgrade should affect the boot to the DVD.
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sludwig
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 01:16 pm |
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I thought the same thing about the DVD so went ahead and did an install on our family iMac and my daughter's MacBook, since it is a family pack.
Those installs went fine, no problems at all.
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Gary
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 01:47 pm |
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Can you boot to a Tiger DVD? If not then I would suspect the DVD player.
It could also be a RAM issue.
You can select the disk in startup manager in prefs. Then reboot. After the chime hold down command v (for verbose mode). then see where it is hanging.
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sludwig
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 02:19 pm |
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I did boot from my Tiger disk to check and then do some disk repair. You might be right about the memory though.
I only have a 256 MB original and 1 GB replacement in the machine. I will try to find another chip to put in and test it to see if it will boot. Thanks.
Is there any chance the memory that was in for the original 1.25 GHz chip is having an issue with the faster processor?Last edited on Mon Oct 29th, 2007 02:22 pm by sludwig
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sludwig
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Posted: Wed Oct 31st, 2007 04:24 am |
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I replaced the memory with a new Samsung stick from OWC, no luck. It is hanging up at the same spot, just at the point when the system should start booting. I held down the V key as suggested but it never got there.
I installed Leopard on an external drive just to see if my system would boot. It does but something strange appears. In the "About This Mac" box the system is listed as 166 MHz! A pic of it is attached.Attached Image (viewed 1054 times):
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Gary
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Posted: Wed Oct 31st, 2007 01:14 pm |
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Actually the report via Apple System Profiler is pretty much normal. It doesn't recognize the CPU so shows the system at the bus speed (and Apple bug).
MAChSpeed Control does work around this. As far as not being able to boot to the Leopard DVD. We've completed extensive testing here. It has something to do with the Drive in your system, not the upgrade. A range of drive have issues with the DL DVDs shipped by Apple. I can send a "backup" DVD burned to a slower speed disk. That usually does the trick. Please follow up via email to Gary@DaystarTechnology.com.
I should also note that the DVD speed checker use the speed of the system, not the speed presented by Apple's broken system profiler.Last edited on Wed Oct 31st, 2007 01:15 pm by Gary
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sludwig
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 01:51 am |
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| I was finally was able to get Leopard installed by using a PowerPC iMac and putting the PB in target disk mode. Everything has worked well for a day but tonight I had to restart and it will not boot into Leopard at all. It appears I will have to reinstall Tiger from my cloned drive. Is there any way of slowing the processor so Leopard does not object to it?
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execudine1
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 07:25 am |
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I, too, have a 1.92 MachSpeed upgrade for my PB 15". When I tried to startup from the Leopard DVD, it got stuck on the pinwheel as well. My Tiger DVD starts up fine as do all my others. This is definitely something to do with some sort of checksum done at startup with the upgrade or an incompatibility with the DVD and that model SuperDrive.
I did a workaround and installed Leopard using the same DVD on another stock PB 17". It installed fine and boots fine.
My only hang up is that it, too, is showing 166 MHz PowerPC G4 when I go to About This Mac. I don't think it is running at advance speed.
When I go to Utilities>XLR8 MACh Speed Control, I can't open the app without it displaying the following message "XLR8 MACh Speed Control cannot locate its kernel extension. blah blah...Reset or Ok."
I have Reset several times and restarted. I have done Repair Permissions, I have restarted in Safe Boot mode, and I have reinstalled the MACh Speed application package several times. I am at a loss. Leopard is running, but it is not running at 1.92 GHz.
Please help me!
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execudine1
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 07:47 am |
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Update: Tried making a "backup" of my Leopard DVD using a slower DVD and slower write speed. Same issue...pinwheel freezes after a minute during DVD startup.
Also tried booting from my external LaCie DVD burner. It also did the same thing both on my original Leopard DVD and the "backup" DVD that I mastered at a slower write speed. This LaCie starts my Tiger disc just fine just as my internal SuperDrive did.
Again, thinking it has to do with something else still.
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Gary
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 03:36 pm |
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I can assure you that your system is running at full speed. It is a bug in Apple system profiler which is showing the incorrect speed setting.
Have you reinstalled MAChSpeed Control after the Leopard upgrade? The kernel extension is blown out during the install, so it makes sense that it wouldn't work post-install of the OS.
I can send you a backup DVD copy, patched to allow installs, even when the system reports incorrectly. Please send me an email direct to request.
gary@daystartechnology.comLast edited on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 03:39 pm by Gary
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Gary
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 03:43 pm |
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sludwig wrote:
I was finally was able to get Leopard installed by using a PowerPC iMac and putting the PB in target disk mode. Everything has worked well for a day but tonight I had to restart and it will not boot into Leopard at all. It appears I will have to reinstall Tiger from my cloned drive. Is there any way of slowing the processor so Leopard does not object to it?
Chances are that it is not the speed of the CPU causing the issue, but to test at a lower speed, simply go to Energy Saver and in the options, select reduced speed when the power adapter is plugged in.
I suggest though, be sure to download and run memtest in single user mode.
To do so, just download and place the un-zipped file in your Applications folder.
Then reboot into single user mode (command-s after the chime), then enter:
/Applications/memtest
This will run the memory test on all available RAM. Takes about 2 hours with 2GB.Attachment: memtest.zip (Downloaded 148 times)
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sludwig
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 05:55 pm |
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| I did not reinstall any Daystar software after the Leopard install. Is that the MSC 3.4.2 package in the XLR8 folder? Thanks for the memtest.
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Gary
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 05:14 pm |
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A Patched DVD is probably the best way. The Apple Software Agreement does allow a backup copy of the DVD to be created, with certain restrictions. It is not licensed separately from the original DVD.
If you already purchased Leopard, then you can order the Backup DVD at:
http://daystar-store.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=799
(Proof of purchase for 10.5 will be required)
If not then you can purchase Leopard with the backup DVD at the link below:
http://daystar-store.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=435
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execudine1
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 02:43 am |
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Gary,
Thanks for the link. I went ahead and did a complete Erase and Install for Leopard in Target Disk Mode from another stock Powerbook G4 1.33 GHz. Install went fine. I then applied all Apple Software Updates and Restarted. No problems.
I then went to the link you sent me and installed MSC 3.4.2 and downloaded a fresh copy. I installed the version for Mac OS X. It informed of a successful install. I then clicked 'Restart'. It restarted fine. Per its instructions, I went to Application>Utilities and then launched MAChspeed Control and it gave me the same message about 'Reset or OK". I verified in ~/System/Library/Extensions that the xlr8MachSpeedKernal.kext is present.
In an earlier post I saw that sometimes you have to "activate" the panel by entering the serial #. I can't even get the MSC to open as I keep getting the same generic message, even after I click Reset to Defaults.
It appears that MSC is incompatible with Leopard. Any idea on an update? Again, this was after a complete Erase and Install with a fresh copy of Leopard. No other software was installed prior to installing MSC 3.4.2 for OS X.
Ideas?Attachment: Screen Shots.pdf (Downloaded 112 times)
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Gary
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 03:01 am |
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| Thanks... that is very helpful. Actually due to some change Apple is making at this time in Leopard, we are holding on a repair for the Leopard issue until next week. But yes, something has gotten broken.
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execudine1
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 03:37 am |
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| Rock and Roll. Absolutely understand with the new OS release how things can break or need updating. We'll eagerly await your update and communication. Thanks for troubleshooting this with me and also so we can save some other people some drama with the troubleshooting we've already done and posted. Let me know if I can help test anything else for you.
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sludwig
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Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 07:34 pm |
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| The disk you sent me did not work. It would not boot the PB at all. It never even got to the pinwheel.The Leopard disk actually got farther than the special disk. I look forward to your coming fix.
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Gary
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Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 02:02 am |
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Hmm, looking through the notes. I did miss something in your post above. Getting stuck on the pinwheel before the installer speed test.
The speed / powerbook ID issue actually shows up when you start the installer.
There is something else going on... since no speed or system requirements exist for the system to boot to the CD. I suggest putting in the CD. Booting holding option, then after selecting the CD and forward arrow, hit the command and v key to boot in verbose mode Then note where it is hanging.
Another note, is that the system actually boots in low/reduced speed (50% full speed), It shifts to high speed when it it loads the energy saver settings... if energy saver is set to run at the high speed.
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sludwig
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Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 09:59 pm |
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I booted the PB into Verbose mode and it stopped after these two lines:
localhost configd[41] Error:no interface name AirPort_Brcm43xx
localhost configd[41] Error: ioPublisherDriverCallBack ( ) failed to initDeviceFromService ( )
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